FIA moet regels rondom grid posities ophelderen

  • Gepubliceerd op 11 apr 2017 14:13
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

De internationale autosportbond FIA moet de regels voor de grid posities van rijders verduidelijken. Die oproep is afkomstig van oud-coureur Mika Salo, die afgelopen weekend in China dienst deed als steward. Hij reageert op het gedoe rondom de grid positie van Ferrari-rijder Sebastian Vettel.

De Duitser parkeerde zijn auto voor de start namelijk maar half in de daarvoor bestemde box. "Ik wilde niet op de lijn staan op een natte baan, en er staat niet in de regels dat dit niet mag", verklaarde Vettel na afloop van de Chinese Grand Prix zijn aparte startpositie.

De wedstrijdleiding keek er wel naar, maar besloot om niet te handelen. Salo legt uit in Turun Sanomat: "De regels zijn niet helder over dit onderwerp. Daarom hebben we Vettel niet bestraft. We hadden hem kunnen waarschuwen, maar het is beter om de regels op te helderen voor dit soort gevallen."

Stroll vs Perez

Er waren wel meer incidenten in China, zoals de aanrijding tussen Lance Stroll en Sergio Perez in de eerste ronde. Stroll gaf Perez de schuld, maar Salo houdt er een andere mening op na. "Als iemand een straf had ontvangen, dan was het Stroll geweest. In de bocht daarvoor liet hij wel ruimte, maar in de volgende bocht stuurde hij zomaar in terwijl Perez al naast hem reed."

De stewards zagen echter ook dit door de vingers. Een gevolg van het nieuwe beleid voor de Formule 1 om minder straffen uit te delen. "Dat is een aanpak waar ik volledig achter sta", aldus Salo. "De straffen groeiden de spuigaten uit. Straffen is alleen noodzakelijk voor inhalen onder geel of tijdens een safety car-periode, of voor een grove overtreding van de regels."

Vettel dacht gewoon "out of the box" dan hadden ze de regels maar duidelijker formuleren.

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  • 11 apr 2017 - 14:20

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  • Vettel dacht gewoon "out of the box" dan hadden ze de regels maar duidelijker formuleren.

    • + 10
    • 11 apr 2017 - 14:20
    • buuts

      Posts: 742

      Helemaal eens. Als je de hond wil slaan moet je wel de stok hebben.

      • + 2
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:30
    • inderdaad wel vreemd dat nergens in de regels dan staat dat ze 'binnen de box' moeten blijven.

      • + 1
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:39
    • @Buuts Zullen we het woord "Hond" vervangen door crimineel ? Die hebben het naar mijn idee meer verdiend ;-)

      • + 3
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:41
    • Dat geeft Salo ook aan hierboven.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:41
    • Ik reageerde op @Schwantz.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:47
    • Mooie actie van Vettel. Tussen de regels lezen, vorig jaar stond er ook een rijder op een lijn alleen die had geluk dat het een rollende start werd.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 15:42
    • Het licht blijft aan bij Ferrari..

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 15:47
    • Als ze bij FIA dan gewoon 'in the box' handelen is het probleem zo opgehelderd. Opstellen in het vakje. Kleuren binnen de lijntjes, zo moeilijk lijkt me dat niet ;-)

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 18:46
    • Ik neem aan dat Vettel,of Ferrari, dat wel van te voren hebben bedacht... Regeltjes staat blijkbaar niet echt dat je tussen de lijntjes moet staan dus wij doen het op onze manier....

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 18:54
    • Dat zullen ze niet in de opwarmronde hebben bedacht inderdaad. Slim gedaan van Ferrari.

      • + 0
      • 12 apr 2017 - 08:40
  • A.I.F1

    Posts: 1.080

    Vettel was gewoon bij de pinken, gewoon de regel instellen dat je volledig in het vak moet staan. Klaar is kees.

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 14:30
    • Beste actie van Vettel vond ik nog het inhalen bij de pitingang. Weet niet exact welke race, maar ik vond dat dus briljant!!!

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 18:46
    • Pipo

      Posts: 4.742

      Even opgezocht, was een dubbele inhaal actie in China 2016.

      • + 1
      • 11 apr 2017 - 20:32
    • Thx @ Pipo ??

      • + 0
      • 13 apr 2017 - 09:30
  • Vond er niks mis mee wat Vettel deed en ze mogen dat ook zo laten van mij. En het gevalletje Stroll zag ik hetzelfde, Stroll had in zijn spiegels moeten kijken. Maar om Stroll te bestraffen had ik ook overbodig gevonden, hij lag er immers al af. Salo heeft goede keuzes gemaakt dit weekend, namelijk om niet allemaal stomme straffen uit te delen. Er zijn geen rare dingen gebeurt, men kon lekker racen!

    • + 8
    • 11 apr 2017 - 14:32
    • Ga ik volledig in mee. Niet elke wind bestraffen maar gewoon lekker laten racen!

      • + 4
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:36
    • Ja inderdaad en hij legt het hier ook helder uit.
      Mika mag wat mij betreft vaak terugkomen.

      • + 2
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:39
    • Roy

      Posts: 2.172

      @Larry , vooral dat helder uitleggen. Daarin schoten ze vorig seizoen vaak te kort!

      • + 1
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:49
    • Ja, het zegt genoeg dat het ons opvalt.

      • + 3
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:57
    • Jenssie

      Posts: 739

      Vettel deed volgens de regels inderdaad niets verkeerd dus terecht geen straf. Lijkt me wel een tekortkoming van de regels. Ik wil gewoon 2 nette rijen auto's en niet een één of ander bij elkaar geraapt zooitje. Anders zet je je auto gewoon meer naar links of rechts om je achterligger alvast te kunnen verdedigen.
      Maar misschien is het alleen mijn OCD die hier aan het trippen is :)

      • + 1
      • 11 apr 2017 - 15:08
    • Sjees

      Posts: 1.149

      Gevalletje Stroll ben ik het niet mee eens, er wordt wel erg makkelijk naar de rookie gewezen. Was in mijn ogen een race-ongeval. Perez was ambitieus en zat er echt nog niet helemaal naast en Stroll had meer ruimte moeten laten.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 16:10
    • Stroll elimineerde zichzelf overduidelijk. Maar dat is meteen zijn straf. Perez heeft niets gedaan hierin dat op t randje was of iets dergelijks. Heel goed dat ze hier niet nog eens n straf bovenop gooiden.
      Vettel stond niet in t vak. De regels zeggend at ook niet. dus smart thinking; ruimte vinden in regelgeving waar anderen niet eens v op de hoogte waren. [tot nu].
      Ik vind wel dat je netjes in je hokje moet staan en niet er half uit. dus snel aanpassen.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 17:14
  • REDNECK

    Posts: 373

    Schumacher ging vroeger altijd schuin staan om gelijk plek 2 te kunnen blokkeren. Ik meen dat de FIA daar toen wel een stokje voor heeft gestoken, maar in dat geval zag het er wat vreemd uit, maar verder niet strafbaar ofzo.

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 14:46
    • Sun-Tzu

      Posts: 3.385

      Volgens mij is er nooit een echt stokje voor gestoken, maar heeft Schumacher waarschuwingen gekregen voor het geen hij direct na het verlaten van de startpositie deed, namelijk het blokken van anderen. Desalniettemin had ik ook mijn vraagtekens bij de start van Vettel. Ik dacht altijd dat men met beide voorwielen licht schuin tot kaarsrecht in de box moesten staan om de responders te activeren. Activeerde je die niet, dan stond je verkeerd en werd de start mogelijk afgebroken. Ik had dan ook verwacht dat dit laatste bij Vettel zou gebeuren, zeker aangezien het best wel even duurde voordat de lampen aangingen.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 14:59
  • WC MAX

    Posts: 6.066

    Jammer dat elke race weer een andere steward is. Is wellicht nog te vroeg om te zeggen maar het lijkt dat Salo duidelijk/helder is en de situaties goed interpreteert.
    Zou het hele seizoen zo moeten zijn en niet afhankelijk van de grillen van de persoon die op dat moment de steward is.

    • + 1
    • 11 apr 2017 - 15:22
    • Ja zou ook 1 steward doen, die net een beetje meer fan is van Ferrari dan van de anderen. Goed idee!

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 18:33
  • Volgens mij zijn er in het verleden zelfs straffen voor uitgedeeld omdat iemand niet goed in zijn vakje stond. Ik vind het raar dat Vettel dus geen straf heeft gekregen. Als Vettel het mag dan mag iedereen het.

    En als hij hem normaal binnen de lijntjes had geparkeerd dan had die ook totaal geen last van de witte lijn.

    Ik ben benieuwd hoe iedereen straks op de grid van Bahrein gaat staan, dat wordt dan wel een rommeltje...

    • + 1
    • 11 apr 2017 - 15:32
    • rice

      Posts: 2.091

      Er zit een verschil tussen de lijn voor de auto en de lijnen naast de auto. Je mag niet over de lijn voor de auto staan, daar zijn rijders voor bestraft omdat je dan terrein "wint" ten opzichte van de rest. De auto locked dan niet in en dan ziet men het gelijk dat je niet goed staat. Het systeem kan echter niet meten of je links en rechts in je vak staat, en blijkbaar is daar ook geen regel voor beschreven dus dan is het toegestaan. Maar waarschijnlijk gaat de FIA nu wel een regel hiervoor toevoegen om duidelijkheid te geven wat wel en niet mag.

      En je hebt helemaal gelijk, als Vettel het mag mogen andere het ook. Ricciardo deed het bijvoorbeeld vorig jaar in Japan ook ;) Die stond ongeveer een halve meter buiten het vak en kreeg ook geen straf.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 16:17
  • Verhaal omtrent Stroll niet helemaal mee eens.
    Het was een race ongeval.

    Het was Stroll zijn bocht, hij mag zijn lijn bepalen. Perez had kunnen weten dat de wagen naar binnengaat, dit vanwege de lijn die je over het algemeen rijd. Stroll had rekening mee kunnen houden dat iemand in het gat zouden duiken.

    Echter als je ziet waar Perez tegen Stroll oprijd, dan is dat de achterkant/ het achterwiel van de Williams, oftewel Perez zat er bij lange na niet naast. (vermoedelijk ook in de dodehoek van Stroll). Perez had kunnen remmen.

    Eindconlusie gewoon een race ongeval.

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 15:39
    • Sjees

      Posts: 1.149

      Helemaal mee eens. De vinger gaat veel te makkelijk naar de rookie.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 16:08
    • SolarCell

      Posts: 982

      @Red Slow

      Volledig oneens! Hoezo, zijn bocht? Hij had gewoon in z'n spiegels moeten kijken

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 16:17
    • CBR600F

      Posts: 956

      Red Slow,

      Ik ben het er niet mee eens. Als jouw voorvleugel ter hoogte van de achtervleugel van de voorganger zit, dan rij je er al naast. Perez zat dus al lang en breed naast Stroll. Stroll is overigens terecht niet gestraft, want dit was inderdaad een race-incident en hij had er zelf nog het meest pech mee. Maar je dient een auto-breedte vrij te laten en dat heeft hij absoluut niet gedaan.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 16:26
    • Sjees

      Posts: 1.149

      En Perez was te ambitieus en zat er nog echt niet naast. Als dit bij een andere coureur waren de rapen gaar want dan roept iedereen dat Perez nog veel te ver zat. Wat dus ook zo was.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 16:26
    • Sjees

      Posts: 1.149

      Volgens mij is de regel dat je er helemaal naast moet zitten Hondaatje. En dat zat hij niet, totaal niet zelfs. Race-ongeval; Perez was te ambitieus en Stroll had meer ruimte moeten laten.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 16:29
    • Pipo

      Posts: 4.742

      Als je goed had gekeken reed Perez niet tegen de achterkant van Stroll, maar reed Stroll met zijn achterwiel over het voorwiel van Perez.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 20:41
  • Kevin

    Posts: 5.294

    Ricciardo deed vorig jaar hetzelfde..

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 16:39
  • Met moet gewoon 20 lijnen trekken en laat een rijder zelf maar bepalen waar die gaat staan. Links, rechts, scheef enzovoort. Van mij part staan ze allemaal recht achter elkaar aan de goede kant. Zoek maar uit.

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 16:58
    • REDNECK

      Posts: 373

      Of van die rekken zoals bij de motorcross,die pas naar beneden gaan als het startsein wordt gegeven. ;)

      • + 1
      • 11 apr 2017 - 17:44
  • Schumi heeft ook ooit tussen de regels gelezen met zijn 10sec. straf NA een finish in te vullen! Was zeebeer goed gezien door hem...

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 17:51
    • REDNECK

      Posts: 373

      Zeebeer?
      Dat was idd. op Slivertsone in1998,maar WTF heeft dat met dit onderwerp te maken?? :{

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 18:09
    • zeebeer=zeeeeeeer!

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 18:24
    • Het toepassen van de regels!!!!

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 19:27
    • REDNECK

      Posts: 373

      Ross Brawn kwam trouwens op dit geniale idee en niet Schumacher.

      • + 0
      • 11 apr 2017 - 20:35
  • Daisai

    Posts: 209

    Staat er inderdaad niet echt specifiek in.
    "When the cars come back to the grid at the end of the formation lap (or laps, see Article
    39.16), they will stop within their respective grid positions, keeping their engines running."

    Als Vettel niet goed stond dan moeten ze de race niet starten.

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 18:38
  • Zitten sensoren op de startposities... Zolang de sensor registreert dat er een auto staat is er geen probleem..

    • + 0
    • 11 apr 2017 - 19:18

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