Horner hekelt gedrag concurrentie: "Dat is gewoon achterbaks"

  • Gepubliceerd op 27 maa 2023 07:36
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

Het team van Red Bull Racing werd in de afgelopen seizoenen veelvuldig achtervolgd door de nodige controverse. De Oostenrijkse renstal raakte betrokken bij veel opvallende zaken en dat zorgde regelmatig voor woordenwisselingen met andere teams. Volgens teambaas Christian Horner ging de concurrentie ver in de verbale strijd.

Red Bull werd met Max Verstappen wereldkampioen in de afgelopen twee seizoenen en ook dit jaar zijn ze ijzersterk uit de startblokken geschoten. Maar naast die successen waren er ook controversiële zaken. Vorig jaar werd bijvoorbeeld duidelijk dat Red Bull in 2021 met een minimaal bedrag de budgetcap had overschreden, het leverde het team een grote straf op. De concurrerende teams waren uiterst kritisch.

Slechteriken

Ook in Groot-Brittannië werd Red Bull fel bekritiseerd door fans en andere teams. Red Bull-teambaas Christian Horner baalt hiervan en ziet een bijzondere gang van zaken. In gesprek met Inews wijst hij naar de concurrentie van Mercedes: "Misschien zou het anders zijn geweest als we een Britse coureur onder contract hadden staan, zoals een zeker ander team uit Brackley heeft. We worden veel te makkelijk weggezet als de slechteriken van deze sport."

Achterbaks

Horner begrijpt echter wel dat andere teams soms fel reageren in controversiële zaken. De Britse Red Bull-teambaas is echter wel woest op één van de concurrerende renstallen. Horner doet zijn onthulling: "Dit soort zaken worden gewoon uitgebuit door je rivalen. Eén van hen nam zelfs contact op met onze sponsoren en met onze teampartners. Ze zeiden dat we die merken in diskrediet zouden brengen. Dat is gewoon achterbaks!"

Rimmer

Posts: 11.467

Ik blijf het altijd vreemd vinden hoe de Britten altijd zo anti RB zijn geweest.
Het team is Oostenrijks natuurlijk maar het staat al sinds jaar en dag in Engeland. Is overgenomen van Jaguar en een groot deel van het personeel incl Horner en Newey en Hannah zijn zo Brits als maar kan.
Kortom, er... [Lees verder]

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  • 27 maa 2023 - 08:45

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  • Nou dit had hij niet moeten zeggen. Nu gaan we hier speculeren welk team en teambaas dit was. En hoe slecht Horner is dat hij dat team dan in een slecht daglicht heeft gesteld.
    Wordt gezellig hier de komende weken. Ik zie ook weer een hele verhandeling aankomen van THW over de bad bad suikerfabrikant Red Bull.

    Als het waar is wat Horner zegt dan wordt de oorlog voorlopig nog naast de baan gevoerd.

    • + 14
    • 27 maa 2023 - 07:46
    • RBH2019

      Posts: 5.888

      Horner noemt geen namen dus dat is niet slecht. Ik zie echt nul feiten in je post. Dat mocht toch niet?

      • + 5
      • 27 maa 2023 - 07:50
    • Dan gaan die lui op hun beurt ook weer 'hekelen' en vervolgens worden ze natuurlijk weer 'woest'...

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 07:51
    • Rimmer

      Posts: 11.467

      Ik blijf het altijd vreemd vinden hoe de Britten altijd zo anti RB zijn geweest.
      Het team is Oostenrijks natuurlijk maar het staat al sinds jaar en dag in Engeland. Is overgenomen van Jaguar en een groot deel van het personeel incl Horner en Newey en Hannah zijn zo Brits als maar kan.
      Kortom, er is reden genoeg om ze als Brit te omarmen.
      Het is nou niet zo dat Mercedes nou zo’n Brits team is.. of Wolfje.
      Conclusie? Een groot deel van de schreeuwende Britse fans zijn feitelijk fanboys van Lewis. Als Lewis volgend jaar niet meer meedoet gaan we dan ook een zeer interessante verandering in de houding van de Britse fans zien. Dat is incl de clowns van Sky.
      Achter McLaren zullen ze niet aan gaan hobbelen en AM is net zo Brits als de schoenenwinkel Scapino Italiaans is.
      De komende jaren zullen we een kleine verschuiving gaan zien waarin een deel zich bekeerd tot Russell en een deel tot Lando en een deel zal afhaken. Dat deel gaat in het weekend gewoon weer ouderwets naar het theater of het circus. Zaken die voorheen in 1 man gecombineerd werden maar waarvoor de Brit straks weer afzonderlijk naar voorstellingen moet.

      • + 66
      • 27 maa 2023 - 08:45
    • d07

      Posts: 2.405

      Bizar he dat Horner (een Brit) altijd zo anti Red-Bull is geweest. Wat een stelletje eilandbewoners, hoop dat ze wegdrijven.

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2023 - 09:53
    • Wat Rimmer zegt klopt zowaar eens! Dat zelfde geldt voor de Max fanboys, die gaan ook niet ineens naar Nyck de Vries maar weer terug carnaval vieren en bier drinken bij een of andere matige voetbalwedstrijd.

      • + 3
      • 27 maa 2023 - 12:12
    • Kan me nog goed herinneren dat in NL iedereen anti Red Bull was. Vooral die Marko, dat was toch zo'n nare man. En kijk nu, het is 1 en al Red Bull dat de klok slaat. Van mij mag het, laat die Engelsen ook gewoon lekker hun topcoureur supporteren. Zij hebben ook wel ff moeten wachten op zo'n topper. Spreekt toch meer aan dan een groepje mensen die toevallig in jouw land een paar onderdelen aan elkaar vastschroeven.

      • + 6
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:56
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      De meeste F1 fans zijn fan van een coureur, niet persé van een team. Er is maar één team waar dat 180 graden andersom werkt en dat is bij Ferrari.

      • + 8
      • 27 maa 2023 - 17:00
  • "Een zeker ander team uit Brackley."

    Dat zal Brackley Town FC wel zijn...

    • + 2
    • 27 maa 2023 - 08:00
    • Is Brackly Town niet dat bracke team met die bracke hoofdsponsor uit Brackly zelf?

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 09:20
    • Ze bestaan ook nog. Ik heb moeten googelen maar ze bestaan.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 19:41
    • Dat jij daaraan twijfelde @Felipe, ben zeer gekwetst...

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 01:49
  • Volgens leden van de paddock op twitter zit eerder Zak van McLaren hier achter en niet Mercedes. Hij was ook diegene die een brief schreef omtrent die overschreden BC van RB. Wat er ook van is, Horner is nog steeds snel geïrriteerd en dan blijft Mercedes target nr1.

    • + 13
    • 27 maa 2023 - 08:14
    • Het speculeren is begonnen.

      Hoe zit dat? Ga je nog terugnemen dat ik van je in de hel moet branden, Mr_Inquisition?

      • + 20
      • 27 maa 2023 - 08:25
    • Patrace

      Posts: 4.008

      Ja, die laatste opmerking was volgens mij ook gericht op Zak Brown. Die zie ik er ook wel toe in staat om Red Bull sponsors te benaderen, etc. Dat is gewoon een sneaky bastard.
      Wolff is wat dat betreft veel transparanter en direct. Hij probeert wel dingen bij de FIA te beïnvloeden, maar ik zie hem er niet voor aan om Red Bulls sponsoren te benaderen.

      • + 10
      • 27 maa 2023 - 09:48
    • Lees het stuk van mr Flexible nog 'n keer terug snailer, hij schrijft nergens dat je moet branden in de hel....hij heeft het over " branden in jullie hel".

      En volgens mij bedoeld hij daarmee daarmee dat je alleen gelooft in je eigen verhaal of verhalen......maar ik laat me graag corrigeren.

      • + 7
      • 27 maa 2023 - 10:33
    • @snailer
      De vraag van je gaat om een ander draadje. Ik zou het fijn vinden dat je de topics bij elkaar houdt. Ik zal het daar beantwoorden zodat ook andere leden het beter (lees objectiever) kunnen volgen. Voor de duidelijkheid, iedereen bepaalt voor zichzelf of hij voor de hel kiest. Maar zoals aangegeven, het volgt op dat vurige draadje "Marko benadrukt teamregels daar hielden ze...."

      • + 5
      • 27 maa 2023 - 10:42
    • Aangezien jij mij dat toewenst geen ik absolut niet er om wat jij fijn vindt, Mr_Inquisitie.

      • + 15
      • 27 maa 2023 - 10:47
    • @Ouw
      Blij dat er toch leden zijn waar ik nog een normale vorm van communicatie mee kan voeren. 😉

      • + 6
      • 27 maa 2023 - 10:53
    • @Ouw, hier dan een poging om jou te corrigeren.

      Mr_Flexible: "Als jullie zo verder blijven gaan, weet dan
      dat dit enkel in jullie hel nog harder brandt .... "

      Hij had dat tegen een hele groep.
      Nu zeg ik tegen jou:
      "Ouw, als jij zo verder blijft gaan, weet dan dat dit enkel in jouw hel
      nog harder brandt.
      Ik geef hiermee dus aan dat jij door jouw opmerkingen in de hel leeft.
      Vind jij dat een normale manier van communiceren? Over de hel praten?

      Hieronder maakt hij vervolgens ook nog eens de opmerking:
      "Voor de duidelijkheid, iedereen bepaalt voor zichzelf of hij voor de hel kiest."

      Hij heeft het dus letterlijk over de hel en niet één of andere andere plaats.

      • + 16
      • 27 maa 2023 - 11:01
    • Nomar

      Posts: 632

      @Ouw

      Als jullie zo verder blijven gaan, weet dan dat dit enkel in jullie hel nog harder brandt

      Het blijft zoals Pietje beschrijft een vreemde manier van communicatie.

      @snailer

      Maak je niet druk, er bestaat geen hel en geen hemel.
      De mens heeft god gecreëerd en niet andersom.
      Das mien gleuf in ieder geval.

      • + 11
      • 27 maa 2023 - 11:19
    • Ff of topic @pietje
      Ververst die vliegtuig pagina zichzelf of klopt het dat Max zijn jet nog steeds in Parijs staat ?

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 11:36
    • @ouw. Weging van woorden. En daarbij ben ik hardstikke gelukkig. En of ik het nu nooit, 1 keer of 100 keer teruglees. De boodschap van Mr_Hertog_van_Alva is altijd de zelfde. Als hij een gelovig man is, welk geloof dan ook dan verlochent hij dat zelfs. Gelovige mensen bidden juist voor het welzijn van anderen. Met uitzondering van de extremisten. Ik wil je dus vragen je er niet mee te bemoeien. Ik zal het laten rusten verder. Maar niet om jouw opmerking. Norman is hier de verstandigste.

      • + 7
      • 27 maa 2023 - 11:45
    • @Harry,

      die pagina ververst zich niet vanzelf.
      Aan de linkerkant zie je een vak met daarin de datum van die
      betreffende dag: UTC Day.
      Klik op next en je ziet steeds de volgende dag. Je ziet dan dat gistermiddag de jet uit Parijs is teruggekeerd. Bij de tijd moet je een uur optellen (CET).

      Daaronder Leg 1 is de eerste vlucht. Max zal 2 keer moeten tanken/landen naar Australië en dan zul je daar dus leg 1, 2 en 3 zien door op next te klikken.
      Leg 3 zal morgen onze tijd zijn.

      Hij is momenteel nog in Nice. Zal zo wel vertrekken. Vorig jaar ook om deze tijd.

      Mocht het vliegtuigje aan het eind van de route niet in beeld verschijnen, even op het einde van de streep klikken en hij verschijnt. Is een vreemd foutje.

      Geef even aan of het gelukt is, ander zal ik het anders proberen uit te leggen @Harry.

      Om de paar weken maak ik even een nieuwe favoriet pagina aan, anders moet je zo vaak de dagen doorklikken. ;-)

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 12:23
    • Nou. Als je af en toe de bewegingen meldt van Verstappen, wat je regelmatig doet, dan ben ik al blij.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 12:29
    • Nou @Snailer, hier is de pagina van vandaag. Hij is dus nog niet vertrokken.
      De eerste vlucht zal weer naar Dubai gaan. Stop van 45 min en dan verder.
      In Kuala Lumpur de tweede stop.
      Voor de volgende vlucht zul je de pagina moeten verschuiven of verkleinen.

      tinyurl(.)com/y95rvcfn

      Hier is de vlucht van vorig jaar 4 en 5 april te volgen. Even next day aanklikken.

      tinyurl(.)com/mr29jzuy

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 12:47
    • Princes Kelly is dit jaar trouwens nog niet op de circuits gezien. Ben benieuwd of ze er nu weer wel bij is.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:14
    • Max is om 12:00u vertrokken.
      Kelly was wel in Bahrein @Snailer, maar is na de kwalificatie naar Parijs vertrokken om modeshows te bekijken.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:21
    • Okay. Dank. Ik heb tot nu Bahrein en SA niet veel van de zaterdag en zondag gezien. SA kwalificatie volledig gemist bijvoorbeeld. Dan zal ik mogelijk daardoor Kelly niet hebben gezien.
      Overigens lijkt mij dat Verstappen echt stapel is op Kelly. Ze lijken een paar te blijven.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:30
    • Ik weet niet of ze op het circuit is geweest, maar ze was een paar dagen in Bahrein in het Ritz-Carlton Hotel ; postte ze op haar IG story.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:38
    • Zaterdan en zondag moet vrijdag en zaterdag zijn. De race op SA heb ik wel gezien. Heb er ook best van genoten, hoewel het hier en daar wat saai was. Maar ja. Verstappen on the move en Alonso die een erg sterke race reed. Wat wil je nog meer.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:43
    • Kun je ook zien of Max in zijn jet op de sim zit of op ouwe Kel @Pietje?

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:55
    • @Larry, moet jij nu ECHT mijn middag verpesten?!
      Zie dat laatste meteen vóór me. Bleh ......

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:59
    • NB. Voor de mensen die Max zijn vluchtgegevens op ADS-B volgen >>>>
      nu met de zomertijd 2 uur bij optellen. Ik schreef hierboven 1 uur, maar dat was gedurende de normale tijd.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:01
    • Thanks Pietje, ja helemaal gelukt snap het nu, vond al dat hij zo lang in Parijs stond, maar ja dacht misschien een beurtje nodig.
      Anyway vind het leuk Max een beetje te volgen buiten de circuits.
      Vraag me af of hij ook de piloten in vasre dienst heeft of dat die van een uitzendbureau of zoiets zijn.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:29
    • @Harry,

      Voor de exploitatie van de PH-DTF werd altijd de hulp in geroepen van het Eindhovense bedrijf Exxaero. Zij verzorgen bemanning, onderhoud, vliegplanning, kortom de operations van het toestel.
      Of dat nog altijd zo is weet ik natuurlijk niet.

      Hij had vaak een vaste piloot, Jorrit Krist, die voor Exxaero werkt, maar die vliegt niet meer met Max nu hij niet meer in Nice woont, maar in Leeuwarden.

      Van zijn LinkedIn: Exxaero International - The Private Jet Company

      Captain gulstream 280
      mei 2022 - heden · mei 2022 - heden · 11 mnd

      Captain Falcon 900EX EASy (Max zijn jet)
      jan. 2021 - mei 2022 · 1 jr 5 mnd

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2023 - 15:08
    • Je zal ongetwijfeld liever op de dagen blijven klikken en iedere paar weken je favorieten aanpassen maar met deze link zit je altijd op de huidige dag:

      http://tiny.cc/jko5vz

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 15:44
    • "Je zal ongetwijfeld liever op de dagen blijven klikken en iedere paar weken je favorieten aanpassen."
      Dan ken je me slecht @Patrick.

      Een uitstekende tip van jou voor iedereen die die s i t e gebruikt.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 16:12
    • rexy

      Posts: 12

      Er zijn er nog meer om er een te noemen die ontslagen is????

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 02:57
    • @Patrick,

      Misschien kun je ook even aangeven hoe je jouw link bij de favorieten moet zetten, want dat werkt niet. Ik heb gisteren de afbeelding die verscheen nadat ik jouw link in de adresbalk had gezet, bij mijn favorieten gezet, maar krijg vandaag weer net zoals altijd de vlucht van gisteren te zien.

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 08:46
    • Als je de link kan bewerken, dan het & en alles wat erachter staat verwijderen. Hij eindigt dan op /?icao=486201

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 11:30
    • Klopt, dat had ik precies zo gedaan, maar jouw link eindigde gisteren op
      /?icao=486201 en vandaag is de link /?icao=486202

      Die link schuift dus niet automatisch een dag op.

      Ik had die eerste link bij mijn favorieten geplaatst en die verscheen vanmorgen dus weer. Hij schoof uiteraard niet op.
      Welke link heb jij dan Oorspronkelijk bij jouw favorieten geplaatst?
      Zet er hier maar gewoon spaties in, dan komt ie meteen door.

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 11:40
    • Aan het einde van jouw lange link staat dus de datum en die schuift bij jou kennelijk automatisch op. Bij mij schuift die datum dus niet op, maar blijft op gisteren staan.

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 11:57
    • Zo staat hij in mijn favorieten:
      https://globe.adsbexchange(.)com/?icao=486201

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 12:05
    • Dus als jij nu bij jouw favorieten op het ADS-B logo op de titel klikt, krijg je een pagina te zien waar enkel https://globe(.)adsbexchange.com/?icao=486201 in de adresbalk staat?
      Bij mij staat er dan nog een hele rits met gegevens achter met aan het eind de datum. En die datum schuift niet op. Ik krijg het ook niet voor elkaar om alleen de bovenstaande link in mijn favorieten te plaatsen, want de rest verschijnt dan automatisch.
      Ik ga vanmiddag nog maar eens experimenteren.
      Kijken wat er hier niet goed gaat.

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 12:29
    • Heb zo straks een heel verhaal geschreven, maar wordt weer eens niet geplaatst.

      Kortom, ik ga het vanmiddag nog maar eens proberen
      en kijken waar het bij mij misgaat.

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 12:57
    • Klopt, dezelfde link krijg ik ook als ik linksboven op "copy link" klik.

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 13:54
  • Hoort er helaas bij. Zal dit seizoen ook wel gebeuren als Red Bull dominant blijft. Teams zoeken toch wel een stok om mee te slaan en hopen op veranderen van de FIA die nadelig is voor Red Bull.

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2023 - 08:24
  • WC MAX

    Posts: 6.066

    Backstabben next level. Dan ben je toch wel echt ‘n sneu mannetje als je zoiets doet. Maar dat zegt meteen wel genoeg over die persoon.

    • + 6
    • 27 maa 2023 - 08:30
    • Robin

      Posts: 1.617

      Eens. Maar dan ben ik nog steeds benieuwd wie die persoon is.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 10:27
  • Boehoe vergeet ook de kinderen van de medewerkers niet die gepest werden op het schoolplein. Je hebt het kampioenschap gekocht voor 7 miljoen,, prima maar dan niet zo zeuren.

    • + 7
    • 27 maa 2023 - 09:06
    • Los van je belachelijke stelling, leg eens uit hoe je op 7M komt?

      • + 14
      • 27 maa 2023 - 09:42
    • Ik denk dat hij 7 euro bedoeld voor een douchemuntje op de camping

      • + 8
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:03
    • Snap nu wel waarom @Deoranjecamping de basisschool niet heeft afgemaakt...

      • + 7
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:59
    • @Villeneuve: De waarde van de boete, lijkt me.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:20
    • Das een boete als gevolg van de overschrijding van 400k.

      Als je dan toch stug in het verleden blijft hangen dan zou het (belachelijke) sentiment hooguit zijn dat die 400k het wk beslist heeft

      • + 4
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:33
    • Ik ga ook niet mee in zijn stelling hoor, denk niet dat dat bedrag het verschil in het WK gemaakt zal hebben. Maar vermoed dat hij/zij het bedrag van daar haalt.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 17:11
    • @Ruth;
      Ja zou zomaar kunnen.
      Hoe dan ook, rare stelling. Inhoudelijk zal er ook geen reactie op komen zoals gewoonlijk. Maargoed, water under the bridge

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 17:42
  • " De Britse Red Bull-teambaas is echter wel woest op één van de
    concurrerende renstallen."
    ============================

    Sorry, maar dat hij woest zou zijn kan ik nergens in het lange interview met Horner
    op Inews terugvinden.

    Hoewel Red Bull niet verantwoordelijk was voor het chaotische slot van het seizoen dat Max Verstappen het kampioenschap van 2021 opleverde, kregen ze wel de schuld van een resultaat dat was ontstaan door het bizarre gedrag van ex-racedirecteur Michael Massi.

    En in 2022 leverde de overschrijding van het budgetplafond nog meer giftig commentaar op over een materiële overtreding die door de FIA als klein werd bestempeld.

    Horner accepteert zonder wrok de vaak opruiende reacties. Het is het gebruik van de verhalen dat beledigend is. "Het heeft ons bezoedeld. Deze dingen worden gebruikt door je rivalen. Een van hen nam contact op met onze sponsors en partners en suggereerde dat wij hun merken in diskrediet zouden brengen. Dat was gewoon achterbaks.

    Vertaald met DeepL.

    • + 10
    • 27 maa 2023 - 09:12
    • Kon jij het stuk gratis bekijken op Inews @Pietje?
      Ik niet en ben toen afgehaakt...

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:04
    • Haha, even slim zijn. 😝 Kreeg steeds dat bericht in beeld dat ik een abbo moest nemen, grrr. Toen ik dat weg klikte, kon ik een paar seconden lezen.
      Heb toen steeds snel een stuk geknipt en elders geplakt totdat ik het hele artikel kon lezen. Kan met andere s i t e s meestal niet, daar blijft dat bericht in beeld.

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:11
    • Raad je aan even hetzelfde te doen. Kan als je geluk hebt in 1 à 2 keer en dan snel ergens plakken. Best wel een aardig interview.
      Niet echt iets nieuws, maar goed.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:14
    • Ah, dan ben je zeer rap, ik kon in die paar seconden slechts lezen dat het bericht van 25 maar was...

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:17
    • t

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:17
    • t

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 14:17
    • @Larry, maart is maar met één t.
      Russell is daarentegen wel met twee keer een l. 😝

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2023 - 16:15
    • De tweede t is voor als ik nog eens dezelfde typo maak...

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2023 - 01:56
  • Jankende calimero. Red Bull is er altijd ster in geweest anderen aan te vallen zelfs binnen de eigen gelederen met Renault. Als ze de regels overtreden hebben hebben anderen kritiek, zo simpel is het. En ze hebben het janken tegen de wedstrijdleiding om ze zo te beïnvloeden zo ongeveer uitgevonden net als het bespelen van emoties via de media.

    • + 15
    • 27 maa 2023 - 09:40
  • d07

    Posts: 2.405

    Horner en Wolff zijn zelf de twee grootste achterbakse figuren van het paddock. Elkaar betichten van achterbaksheid is nogal hypocriet. Het zou deze twee eens sieren om wat minder met modder te gooien.

    • + 3
    • 27 maa 2023 - 09:51
  • Lees zojuist op datzelfde Inews weer die uitspraak/leugen van Perez.
    “Two laps from the end, they told me to keep a certain pace, they told me I had the fastest lap and to keep the pace, a certain pace,"

    Kan er nog niet over uit. Hier dus nogmaals:

    In Saudi Arabia, Perez lost the fastest lap to his teammate in the final lap of the race, a move which denied him the lead in the championship.
    Perez believed the cars were operating under the same instruction, which would have protected his fastest lap.

    [i]“Two laps from the end, they told me to keep a certain pace, they told me I had the fastest lap and to keep the pace, a certain pace,” Perez said.
    “I thought the communication was the same to Max, so it’s something we need to review. Because I certainly got different information, and I just couldn’t push there in the end.”

    Horner offered a different perspective, suggesting Perez did understand he was free to go flat out over the final lap but backed out. “Both drivers had the info of Checo had the fastest lap at that point, he asked what it was, so it was obvious why he was asking, he knew that Max was going to have a crack at it, and Checo gave it up after the first couple of turns, he was already a tenth and a half down and then you saw him back out of it.


    Ronde 43 GP: Max can you target 33:0 please?

    PER: What is the gap?
    HB: Gap is 4.3
    PER: So are we pushing now?
    HB: [b]You're free to push. Free to push


    Ronde 45 GP: You have 5 laps remaining coming up. Gap is 5

    VER: What's the fastest lap?
    GP: We are not concerned about that at the moment Max HB: Max's last lap 33.0
    VER: Yeah but I am
    GP: So 32.1, 32.1

    Ronde 48 PER: What is the fastest lap at the moment?
    HB: You've got the fastest lap. That's a 32.1


    CF PER: Did we get the fastest lap in the end or?
    HB: You were pipped on the last lap
    PER: Ah, great! Aha!

    • + 10
    • 27 maa 2023 - 10:13
    • De dik gedrukte delen zijn een beetje mis gegaan, sorry.

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2023 - 10:14
    • Wat hier duidelijk uit blijkt is dat Perez aan het liegen is geweest. Hij was er zich wel degelijk van bewust dat Verstappen een poging zou doen voor de snelste ronde. Daarnaast heeft zijn engineer helemaal niet gezegd dat Perez zich aan een bepaalde tijd moest houden. Hij zei letterlijk "Free to push".

      Perez brengt zichzelf nu in diskrediet. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

      En die "crash" van Perez in Monaco kwalificatie vorig jaar was ook opzettelijk.

      • + 12
      • 27 maa 2023 - 11:46
    • Perez ging er inderdaad voor. gps data liegt niet. Maakte twee grote fouten. Had de laatste ronde de 4de tijd. Overigens toonde de gps data dat hij zonder die fouten ook nooit de snelste ronde had gereden. Slechtere tractie. Hij heeft de hele race vol zitten pushen en zelfs op een baan als SA waren de banden er volldig aan. Ik bedoel. Russell en Alonso waren ook gewoon sneller dan Perez.

      Ik denk dat Perez bang was voor de snelheid van Verstappen. Maar hij had het geluk dat het juist op SA was. Veel volgas, waar een rijder het verschil niet maakt, maar 6 bochten waar werd afgeremd. EN tot slot een baan waar de banden goed blijven.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 13:35
    • d07

      Posts: 2.405

      https://www.youtube.(com)/watch?v=roHHT4FrV3Q&ab_channel=F1Interest

      Dit is een verhelderend filmpje, waarbij alle boardradio's in chronologische volgorde wordt afgespeeld.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2023 - 18:29
    • Dank voor de link, d07. Precies zoals ik vertelde direct na de race toen men weer eens boven op de foute Verstappen dook.

      De video is echter alles behalve compleet. Perez ging ook 33+ rijden de op 1 na laatste en op 2 na laatste ronde. Zoals wel bekend is na twee volle rondes harvesten alles opgeladen voor een snelste ronde, dus ook Perez was er klaar voor.
      Uit de gps data blijkt dat zowel Perez als Verstappen voor de snelste ronden gingen. Dat deden ook Alonso en Russell.
      Perez had de hele race dusdanig op de limiet gereden dat zijn banden op waren. Dat was tijdens de laatste ronde te zien. Perez was in elke bocht langzamer, vooral in bocht 2. In Bocht 3 maakte hij een grote fout.
      Ook Verstappen, Alonso en Russell vochten met de auto, maar daar hadden de banden nog wel grip. Laatste ronde was Verstappen het snelst, dan Alonso, dan Russell en dan pas Perez.

      Wat ook niet in de video zat: De boosheid dat Verstappen voor de snelste ronde was gegaan. En dat terwijl hij het zelf ook probeerde, maar hopeloos faalde. Ook dat 'met het team spreken' was een toneelstuk. En het geklaag bij de pers al helemaal.

      Wat ik nu wel anders ben gaan zien is dat er wel degelijk een conflict broed. Maar dat komt niet door Verstappen. De aanleiding is volledig voor rekening van Perez.

      • + 7
      • 27 maa 2023 - 21:10
    • Precies @Snailer!

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2023 - 21:31
  • Horner en RBR zijn de grooste achterbakse figuren die er zijn, acht jaar lopen huilen om Mercedes terwijl deze motoren regelementen door RBR en Renault zijn gepushed, Renault had immers jaren lang ervaring met de V6 motoren ten opzichte van Mercedes en Ferrari. Ik moet dat team RBR echt niet

    • + 5
    • 27 maa 2023 - 16:53
    • Jane

      Posts: 1.128

      Denk dat dat wederzijds zou zijn als ze jouw commentaren zouden lezen.

      • + 4
      • 27 maa 2023 - 21:51
  • 1 ding is iig zeker: Horner weet als achterbakse precies wat achterbaksheid is, daarom zit hij al zo lang in de F1

    Diegene die volgens Horner achterbaks is verdient dus een pluim.

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2023 - 20:23
  • Ach Horner, als je ze geen stok geeft, kunnen ze ook niet slaan. Je kan wel veel doen alsof de andere teams "achterbaks" zijn, als jouw team zich aan de regels had gehouden, had dit ook nooit gebeurd. Je kan dan wel allerlei lulverhalen over belastingen en catering etc etc ophouden, feit is dat jij als enige team er niet in geslaagd ben om je aan die limiet te houden. Dan weet je dat je rivalen daar voordeel gaan uit proberen te halen. Net zoals je zelf ook talloze keren hebt gedaan in het verleden.

    • + 3
    • 28 maa 2023 - 00:07
  • Als dat waar is? Dan hoop ik toch echt dat er aangifte van laster en smaad etc gedaan is en er een civiele procedure wordt gestart met als klap op de vuurpijl een giga boete van de FiA voor de schuldige die de sport in diskrediet heeft gebracht hiermee, door fairplay niet te honoreren.
    Hoogte van de boete van McLaren is maatstaf plus inflatiecorrectie.
    Eens kijken of de hoge bazen van Mercedes dan nog zo blij zijn met herr Toto

    • + 2
    • 28 maa 2023 - 06:10
  • SennaS

    Posts: 6.005

    Calimero gedrag ten top.
    RBR moet zichzelf in de spiegel kijken.
    Je wint geen sympathie als je de wedstrijdleid onder druk zet om het wk binnen te slepen en ook nog een valsspelen door 7 mijjoen meer uit te geven voor cruciale upgrades.
    En dan janken als andere teams daar iets van vinden.
    RBR heeft niks anders gedaan 8 jaar lang.

    • + 2
    • 28 maa 2023 - 10:25

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