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Red Bull kampt met groot probleem door te zware RB18

Red Bull kampt met groot probleem door te zware RB18

  • Gepubliceerd op 01 maa 2022 08:01
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Vorige week reden de nieuwe auto's van 2022 op het Circuit de Catalunya, waar Mercedes het tempo bepaalde: Lewis Hamilton leidde met George Russell een 1-2, terwijl Red Bull's Sergio Perez de derde tijd reed. Red Bull kampt echter met problemen aan de RB18. Helmut Marko zegt na de testsessie in Barcelona dat het team de problemen in het vizier heeft maar zegt verder weinig over de inhoud.

Tijdens een testsessie ter voorbereiding op een nieuwe F1-seizoen wordt vooral de betrouwbaarheid getest en ligt niet direct de focus op snelle tijden, al is het vaak wel een indicatie welk team de plank mis heeft geslagen en welke teams snel zijn.

Gewichtstoename

Maar hoewel Red Bull Racing er goed voor stond, zegt motorsportadviseur Marko dat ze met één groot probleem kampen: de auto is te zwaar. Dit jaar heeft de Formule 1 het minimumgewicht verhoogd naar 795 kilogram, een toename van 43 kilo, maar naar verluidt hebben de teams moeite om onder die drempel te komen.

Volgens Auto Motor und Sport zegt een teambaas dat sommige auto's tot wel enkele tientallen kilo's boven het minimumgewicht zitten. Een aanzienlijk deel van die toename komt door de grotere 18-inch wielen en banden van Pirelli, terwijl grotere wielen ook grotere remmen betekenen.

Er zijn ook structurele veranderingen aan het chassis om de veiligheid te verbeteren, die ook meer gewicht met zich meebrengen.

Aanpassen nieuwe reglement

Het team van Max Verstappen heeft moeite om kilo's van hun RB18 af te halen. Marko vertelde aan Motorsport-Magazine.com: "Het enige probleem dat we hebben is het gewicht, maar dat hebben alle teams. Godzijdank is het minimumgewicht al verhoogd, maar er is nog een hoop werk te doen voor de eerste race."

De Oostenrijker hoopt dat tijdens een bijeenkomst van de teambazen van de Formule 1-teams overeenstemming wordt bereikt over een verhoging. Marko: "Laten we kijken of we het minimumgewicht nog iets hoger kunnen krijgen."

Dat is echter onwaarschijnlijk, want om in dit late stadium een verhoging in de regels op te nemen, zouden acht van de tien teams hiervoor positief moeten stemmen.

Marko lijkt echter te denken dat het eigenlijk maar één team gelukt is om op het minimumgewicht te blijven. Hij zegt: "Op één team na worstelen alle anderen met het gewichtsprobleem."

Auto Motor und Sport beweert dat één team Alfa Romeo is met McLaren ook in de buurt komt van het minimumgewicht. "Alleen Alfa Romeo zou geen problemen hebben. De McLaren MCL36 zou net een paar kilo te veel hebben maar is in de buurt."

Kennie

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Wanneer dit verhaal waar is, dan gaan we weer ouderwets de regels aanpassen in plaats van aan de regels voldoen. Slechte zaak mijns inziens. Heb je als McLaren (en/of Alfa) je huiswerk goed gedaan, krijg je de meerderheid van de teams tegen je en ben je je voordeel zomaar kwijt. Heel veel mensen ... [Lees verder]

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  • Kennie

    Posts: 2.659

    Wanneer dit verhaal waar is, dan gaan we weer ouderwets de regels aanpassen in plaats van aan de regels voldoen. Slechte zaak mijns inziens. Heb je als McLaren (en/of Alfa) je huiswerk goed gedaan, krijg je de meerderheid van de teams tegen je en ben je je voordeel zomaar kwijt. Heel veel mensen zouden een strijd vooraan tussen Alfa en McLaren heel erg tof vinden, laat de rest maar hun achterstand inlopen door tijdens het seizoen een slag te maken. Zou tof zijn als de boel daardoor na bijvoorbeeld 10 races nóg dichter bij elkaar zit.

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 08:20
    • Remco_F1

      Posts: 1.540

      Aan de ene kant heb je gelijk, maar moeten de regels wel haalbaar zijn voor iedereen, dat blijkt dus niet het geval, dan heeft de regelmaker(s) het niet bij het juiste eind gehad en vind ik dus dat ze de regels moeten aanpassen. Dus iedereen moet gelijke kansen hebben vind ik.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:25
    • da_bartman

      Posts: 4.569

      Dat minimum gewicht was er toch oorspronkelijk gekomen tbv de veiligheid? zodat bepaalde onderdelen niet zo licht worden gemaakt dat ze het uiteindelijk begeven. Misschien heeft de FIA het extra gewicht dat er bij komt om een veilige auto te maken volgens nieuw concept te laag gewaardeerd. Daar lijkt het wel op als slechts 10% het niet is gelukt om dat minimum gewicht te halen. En misschien heeft die 10% daarbij wel een onveilige auto gebouwd.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:37
    • nutstree

      Posts: 545

      @remco_f1

      Als 1 team het kan halen, dan kunnen alle teams het halen. Je kan met het bouwen van de auto op meerdere manieren voordeel halen, gewicht is daar 1 van. Zolang veiligheid er niet bij inschiet, mag je dat voordeel benutten.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:38
    • da_bartman

      Posts: 4.569

      "...slechts 10% het niet is gelukt..." niet moet er niet staan :-)

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:39
    • Pietje2013

      Posts: 8.974

      Remco, gelijke kansen waren er voor iedereen. De regels zijn duidelijk en op tijd vastgesteld. Door last minute de regels te veranderen zorg je er juist voor dat niet iedereen gelijke kansen krijgt.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:56
    • Kennie

      Posts: 2.659

      @remco_f1 De regels zijn haalbaar, óók voor de teams die nu een iets te zware auto hebben. Iedereen heeft gelijke kansen, de regels zijn al heel erg lang bekend. Je punt slaat nergens op

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:03
    • Mr_Flexible

      Posts: 5.037

      Dit artikel had ik gisteren al voorspeld 😇

      Mooi dat Alfa daar nu al is in geslaagd! Laat ons sportief blijven en hen daar dan ook ten volle van profiteren. Dat hebben ze als achterhoede team dik verdiend.

      Voor McLaren kan het de doorbraak zijn om zich vooraan te nestelen.

      Andere teams zullen er ook wel geraken. In Q kan dit zeker een verschil maken. In de R zijn er zoveel andere factoren die daarbij meespelen maar gewicht blijft altijd een hot topic al van in de tijd van Colin Chapman. Zeker als het close is en ze dichter bij elkaar kunnen rijden voor een langere periode.

      Geweldig toch!!!

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:33
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      @Remco,

      De regels zijn wel haalbaar, dat bewijst Alfa toch?

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:41
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Remco_F1 bedoelt: ja maar Max rijdt in een Red Bull dus dit is niet eerlijk. Haha, heerlijk voorspelbaar dit.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:28
    • Larry Perkins

      Posts: 47.777

      Sterker nog @Flexible. Dit bericht stond er gisteren al onder de kop “Marko geeft gewichtsproblemen RB18 toe: "Maar alle teams hebben dat."”

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:49
    • Wheel2Wheel

      Posts: 716

      @remco regels haalbaar zijn? Minimum gewicht is de regel, iedereen voldoet eraan punt. De smalle redbull van vorig jaar werd toch ook niet gezegd dat auto breder moet worden omdat andere hun motor niet zo compact konder inpakken etc.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:50
    • hupholland

      Posts: 7.626

      Laten we ff afwachten, nu staat de naam RBR in de titel, dus gaan automatisch de hakken al in het zand. Vind wel dat dit soort beslissingen unaniem moeten worden genomen. Alfa komt amper vooruit, misschien zijn die juist wel het grootste slachtoffer van deze regel, ondanks dat ze het dichts bij het minimum zitten. Op zich mag iedereen natuurlijk gewoon boven het minimumgewicht blijven, maar het lijkt met dat zo'n regel er niet voor niks is. Als niemand het kan halen, schiet je het doel misschien voorbij. Wat het doel is weet ik niet precies, maar het kan met veiligheid en kostenbesparingen te maken hebben. Maar nogmaals, er staat RBR in de titel en dan verdwijnt al het gezonde verstand bij sommigen automatisch. RBR in zn eentje heeft niks te vertellen gelukkig.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:16
    • Remco_F1

      Posts: 1.540

      "Marko lijkt echter te denken dat het eigenlijk maar één team gelukt is om op het minimumgewicht te blijven. Hij zegt: "Op één team na worstelen alle anderen met het gewichtsprobleem."

      Dus zeg maar 80% haalt de minimale gewicht niet. Dat wijst voor mij uit dat de regel niet klopt. Maar goed wie ben ik.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:33
    • Redcarsmatter

      Posts: 4.404

      @RemcoF1 Je zit op een dwaalspoor. Het gaat over het minimumgewicht. Dat haalt iedereen, alleen zit de RB18 er een eindje vanaf. Dus deze regel is zeker te handhaven, het lukte iedereen. Dat RBR haar problemen aub zelf oplost ipv de regels te willen herschrijven.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:15
    • Mr_Flexible

      Posts: 5.037

      @Larry Klopt, maar daar stond niets bij van Alfa noch McLaren en wat nodig is om die regel te wijzigen.... dat was eigenlijk mijn voorspelling die ik bedoelde. 😉

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:43
    • da_bartman

      Posts: 4.569

      @RCM, ik las hier in een reactie (weet dus niet of het waar is) dat van het trio RBR, MER, FER. ze bij RBR zelfs nog de lichtste auto hebben en dat de auto van FER de zwaarste van het drietal is.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 13:04
    • hupholland

      Posts: 7.626

      dat las ik dus ook Bartman (weet niet of het waar is). Marko is de minst tactische van het stel en degene die het de media in gooit, maar nu wordt er ineens gedaan of RBR het grootste probleem heeft. Beetje vreemd.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 13:10
  • Beri

    Posts: 6.186

    Een GROOT probleem is het niet, aangezien meerdere teams hier last van hebben. Ook is het hoeveelheid overgewicht natuurlijk van belang en dit schijnt nihil te zijn. Elke kilo is er één, maar nu komt het over dat de Red Bull 10 kilo overgewicht zou hebben en dat is slechts enkele kilo's.
    Als hierop een regelverandering wordt doorgevoerd, dan zou dit van de zotte zijn. Beter teams met een handicap laten rijden en innovatieve oplossingen binnen je budget zoeken, dan buigen naar het falen van dezelfde teams.

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 08:33
    • Snelrondje

      Posts: 7.965

      @Beri, waarom met een handicap rijden? Als Alfa en McLaren gekozen hebben voor een eenvoudiger ontwerp mogen ze daar ook voordeel van hebben. F1 is ook een constructeurskampioenschap. Nu krijg je misschien strijd tussen complexere en meer eenvoudige ontwerpen. Dat is toch prima?

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:57
    • flyineddy

      Posts: 3.595

      @Snelrondje
      Ik denk dat Beri dat ook bedoelt. De handicap is het teveel aan gewicht dat sommige teams nu hebben. Laat deze teams het zelf maar oplossen, of proberen hun auto zo snel mogelijk te maken, ondanks het overgewicht.

      Eddy.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 14:44
    • Beri

      Posts: 6.186

      Precies dat @Eddy!

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 15:02
  • Cicero

    Posts: 1.281

    Het blijft een beetje vreemd. Een minimumgewicht, dan is het toch geen probleem als je te zwaar bent? Ja, je bent in het nadeel als andere teams wel hun auto lichter weten te maken.
    De teams met een betere motor zijn ook in het voordeel. Doe dus gewoon je best.

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 08:36
    • MLTG

      Posts: 864

      Het is een probleem omdat anderen lichter zijn. LIchter is sneller.
      Dus wat Marko eigenlijk zegt is, wij zijn te zwaar, anderen niet , die hebben een voordeel over ons.
      Dus laten we maar gewoon extra gewicht bij de rest zetten zodat wij geen nadeel hebben.
      Ach het is RB, dus de FIA zal er wel in mee gaan.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:38
    • Beri

      Posts: 6.186

      @MLTG; Er is maar 1 team dat onder het minimum gewicht is gebleven en de rest zit er overheen.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:45
    • Patrace

      Posts: 4.008

      @Beri: als ze onder het minimum gewicht zitten, dan zijn ze volgens mij toch illegaal? Anders was het een maximum gewicht geweest... en dat is het niet.

      Zo moeten alleen zorgen daar zo dicht mogelijk op te zitten, maar er onder mag dan niet, uiteraard.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:08
    • Beri

      Posts: 6.186

      Een auto wil je altijd zo licht mogelijk hebben. Teams doen dit altijd al. Maar teams maken ook gebruik van balast. Stel dat een auto 700 kilo minimaal moet wegen en Red Bull maakt een auto doe 650 kilo weegt, dan heb je dus 50 kilo aan balast wat je kan plaatsen waar je dit wenst. Zodat je een perfecte gewichtsverdeling kunt creëren.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:33
    • beerkuh

      Posts: 3.374

      ik heb gelezen dat Alfa op een paar 100 gram na (in de huidige configuratie) het streefgewicht gehaald heeft, let wel in de huidige configuratie wat inhoudt dat elke verandering invloed kan hebben op het gewicht, McL zit er 4 kilo vandaan de rest zit allemaal tussen de 10 en 20 kilo wat op zich niet veel lijkt maar echt een enorm verschil is! het verschil tussen Mercedes en RB is minimaal in het voordel van RB de Ferrari zit daar volgend Fabrizio weer net boven

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:46
  • McLM

    Posts: 249

    Snel aanpassen dan want de FIA wil natuurlijk wel dat hun golden boy wint.

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 08:47
    • Tony Hamil

      Posts: 333

      Haha, inderdaad. Toch zie ik de FIA dit niet doen. Red Bull moet gewoon gaan schaven.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 08:55
    • Dick de Cock

      Posts: 3.331

      Red Bull is geen Mercedes natuurlijk anders was dit al lang gebeurt.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:05
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Als Mercedes of Ferrari aan de bel had getrokken, is de kans groot dat het aangepast gaat worden, nu zal er niets gebeuren.
      Hoeft ook helemaal niet, dat lossen ze zelf wel op.
      Alfa schijnt het wel te lukken, maar die auto staat meer stil dan hij rijdt, dus kennelijk sommige onderdelen wat te fragiel.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:29
    • SennaS

      Posts: 6.005

      Wordt wel in de laatste race goed gemaakt ;-)

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:41
    • Redcarsmatter

      Posts: 4.404

      @NicoS Fijn om Ferrari weer te zien opduiken in het malaFIAde lijstje. Eindelijk weer erkenning! Forza!

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:52
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Het is toch ook een corrupte bende?…;)

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:56
  • stephen

    Posts: 182

    Max en Sergio moeten beide 5 kg afvallen. ;)

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 09:03
    • Patrace

      Posts: 4.008

      Ja, dan hebben ze alvast 10kg winst te pakken! ;-)

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:09
    • Skimi

      Posts: 913

      Nope, coureurs zitten in een apart vakje van, ik meen 80 kilo. Vroeger was de coureur de sluitpost in de gewichtsverdeling en liep er bij als gratenpakhuis. Om dat te voorkomen is de de coureur vrij in zn gewicht en zal aangevuld worden tot die 80k al zal elke engineer nog steeds liever een kilo meer hebben om te verdelen dan in de coureur zelf

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:53
    • Larry Perkins

      Posts: 47.777

      Bottas: “Kama-jaja-jippie-jippie-jeey!”

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:32
    • Leclerc Fan

      Posts: 2.596

      Ze hebben nog een ander klein mannetje.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:48
    • schwantz34

      Posts: 36.095

      Lewis heeft Angela, Max krijgt dit seizoen Sonja Bakker als personal assistent.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 17:11
    • Larry Perkins

      Posts: 47.777

      Personal plagiaat assistent wel te verstaan…

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 18:46
  • The Horse Whisperer

    Posts: 4.035

    Red Bull zit zwaar in de problemen.

    Groeten,

    @schwanz34

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 09:12
    • schwantz34

      Posts: 36.095

      RB heeft nog tijd zat om de Bull op dieet te zetten, de regels aanpassen zou een zwaktebod zijn tov de teams die de bull qua gewicht wel onder controle hebben.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:38
    • mr.Monza

      Posts: 9.303

      Het ego van Marko legt het meeste gewicht in de schaal.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 09:43
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Rijdt dat ego ook mee dan? Dat verklaart een hoop inderdaad.

      Ik hoor niks over het gewicht van de F1-75 van onze makkers uit Maranello, hoe zit dit? Persoonlijk denk ik dat dit de cultuur is; die Italianen snappen wel dat je bij een dame met zulke mooie rondingen niet gaat miepen over een kilootje extra.

      Che bella signora voluttuosa!

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:33
    • The Horse Whisperer

      Posts: 4.035

      @Snelle

      Zo is het. Dikkerdjes hebben ook liefde nodig.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:36
    • mr.Monza

      Posts: 9.303

      Dat snappen wij zeker amico!
      Botten zijn voor de honden, vlees is voor echte kerels ;)

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:40
    • Larry Perkins

      Posts: 47.777

      Het is in ieder geval goed @Schwantz dat Marko de zware RB niet te licht opvat…

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:54
    • TheStijg

      Posts: 3.857

      Zo dadelijk doet @Schwantz het dunnetjes over!

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:06
    • The Horse Whisperer

      Posts: 4.035

      @mr.Monza

      Well said! Die ga ik onthouden!

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:10
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Ik ben wel voor een apart forum waar iedereen al zijn schijtlollige woordgrapjes kwijt kan. Ik zal daar geen account voor aanmaken trouwens, maar dat begrepen jullie vast al wel.

      • + 1
      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:11
    • The Horse Whisperer

      Posts: 4.035

      En dan ook alsjeblieft een aparte plek voor al die irritante inspirerende quotes (zie mijn post van 2 min. geleden).

      Iedereen en zijn moeder waant zich heden ten dage een wijsgeer.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:13
    • The Horse Whisperer

      Posts: 4.035

      Over schijtlollig gesproken, waar is Jean/Pete/Jimmy? Die zal nog wel halfdood in bed liggen vw carnaval.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:15
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Precies Roger, jij mag ook je bagger op dat andere forum gaan dumpen inderdaad. :)

      En ik denk dat Jimmy even druk is met googlen naar voluptueuze dames.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:28
    • The Horse Whisperer

      Posts: 4.035

      Ik heb er al een naam voor bedacht: fecesbook.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:34
  • Numnum

    Posts: 4.863

    Indien er niet één team in slaagt kan ik me de regelaanpassing nog indenken.
    Maar dat is nu overboord. Nu de regels aanpassen is competitievervalsing.

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 09:13
    • RamblinMan

      Posts: 148

      @Numnum

      Net als de aanpassing van de pitstopregels halverwege 2021 ten nadele van RBR?

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:45
    • Larry Perkins

      Posts: 47.777

      Dat was inderdaad verkeerd @Ramblin, laten we hopen dat de FIA met de nieuwe sultan als opperhoofd daarvan heeft geleerd en het niet herhaalt, ook al zou het dit keer in het voordeel van RB (Verstappen) zijn…

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:58
    • FredericS

      Posts: 739

      Wat RBR deed was in overtreding met de pitstop regels.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:26
    • Redcarsmatter

      Posts: 4.404

      @RamblinMan De impact van die regelwijziging was natuurlijk te verwaarlozen. Daarom niet minder verkeerd, maar toch. Ik zie een verschil.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:57
    • Numnum

      Posts: 4.863

      @ Ramblin Het zal me een zorg zijn wie er bij wijzigingen voor- of nadeel heeft.
      Tussendoor wijzigen blijft discutabel.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 15:47
    • RBH2019

      Posts: 5.888

      Als de conclusie is dat de regels niet juist zijn, dan is het natuurlijk bizar om er koste wat kost aan vast te houden als een bureaucraat...

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      • 3 maa 2022 - 11:53
    • Larry Perkins

      Posts: 47.777

      Er zou geen sprake zijn van goed of fout @Rbh2019, volgens kenners zouden teams performance moeten inleveren om aan de regels te voldoen.

      Daar moeten ze (de teams) dan maar een oplossing voor verzinnen, een uitdaging voor de bollebozen van de F1…

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      • 3 maa 2022 - 12:17
  • nr 76

    Posts: 5.642

    Blijkbaar is het haalbaar om een auto te bouwen die aan alle tests voldoet, en niet veel meer dan het minimumgewicht heeft.
    Dat dit team daarvoor compromissen heeft moeten sluiten lijkt me evident.
    Het is nu aan de andere tams om dat ook te doen, of het extra gewicht te accepteren.

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 09:26
  • Politik

    Posts: 8.359

    Het hele probleem draait om budget.
    Je auto lichter maken kost of geld, of performance.

    RB kan ervoor kiezen om zijn componenten lichter te maken,maar dat kost meer budget, dus dat gaat ten koste van (door)ontwikkeling.

    De regels aanpassen en de teams die hun huiswerk wel op orde hebben te dwingen hun auto verplicht zwaarder te maken, is ridicuul.

    Typisch dat het ook weer alleen RB/Marko is die hier over klaagt.
    Ook zij hebben de keuze gehad om zaken anders of lichter te produceren. Dat ze dat niet gedaan hebben, is niet het probleem van de teams die het wel voor elkaar hebben.

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    • 1 maa 2022 - 09:56
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Echt iedereen (die van de sport houdt) vindt dit. En toch weten we niet zeker of de FIA/teams de regels gaat/gaan aanpassen. Ridicuul inderdaad.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:35
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Het is ook een kansloze missie, er staat namelijk geen ster of zwart paart op de auto….;)
      Marko probeert het, maar weet zelf ook wel dat de kans van slagen nog minder dan nihil is.
      Storm in een glas water dus…
      Ze lossen het wel op, en anders maar een paar kilo overgewicht. Als de auto snel genoeg is maakt dat niet heel veel uit.

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:37
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Is it because me horse is black?!

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:42
    • The Horse Whisperer

      Posts: 4.035

      "We used to say that he who threw the biggest tantrum won the day."

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      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:11
    • The Horse Whisperer

      Posts: 4.035

      @Politik

      Als ik de zaak voor Red Bull zou moeten bepleiten, zou ik het gooien op veiligheid: het is onverantwoord om daar concessies op te doen.

      Dat is weliswaar niet fair tegenover de teams die, zoals je terecht opmerkt, wél netjes hun huiswerk hebben gedaan, maar toch zal de FIA daaraan toegeven.

      Immers, er zijn meerdere teams die het criterium niet halen. Die allemaal hun concept verplicht laten afslanken, met alle risico's van dien, is onverantwoord.

      Zoiets zou ik er van maken, denk ik.

      • + 0
      • 1 maa 2022 - 11:27
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      @THW,

      Als het reduceren van het gewicht enkel ten koste van veiligheid zou gaan, heb je gelijk.

      Maar er lijken mij ook andere opties om het gewicht te reduceren, zonder dat het ten koste van de veiligheid gaat.
      Bijvoorbeeld door het aantal aërodynamische snufjes datbop de auto zit te verminderen.

      • + 0
      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:39
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      De voorvleugel eraf, en klaar.
      Wat een gezeur om niets…

      • + 1
      • 1 maa 2022 - 12:58
    • Redcarsmatter

      Posts: 4.404

      @NicoS Je Calimero-gedrag manifesteert zich wel heel erg vroeg op het seizoen. Maar wel leuk dat je Ferrari (zwart paarD) weer in het schurkenlijstje zette.

      • + 2
      • 1 maa 2022 - 13:00
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Misschien was het een reactie op de gefrustreerde MCLM….
      Niet alles even serieus nemen @RCM….
      Ik lees niets anders van het Ferrari kliekje, dus doe ik ook ff lekker mee.

      • + 0
      • 1 maa 2022 - 13:18
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Wij zijn nooit Calimero, want wij zijn de beste. Dat lijkt me evident.

      • + 4
      • 1 maa 2022 - 13:59
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Ik snap de frustratie @RCM, al jaren niets gewonnen, en afgetroefd door een frisdrank fabrikant….ja als trotse Tifosi doet dat toch wel een beetje pijn…;)

      • + 1
      • 1 maa 2022 - 14:06
    • schwantz34

      Posts: 36.095

      @Nicos Als die rooie gasten echt eindelijk weer eens goeie, en legale auto hebben, nemen ze hier de bull helemaal over...

      • + 0
      • 1 maa 2022 - 18:33
    • Redcarsmatter

      Posts: 4.404

      @NicoS Het doet nooit pijn om tifoso te zijn. En over de belangrijkste bijzaak ter wereld ga ik mij niet frustreren. Het is trouwens niet omdat Larry mij trachtte te bedaren, dat ik op mijn (stijgerende) paard zat. Ik had je knipoogje wel meegelezen. Ik besloot mijn comment daarom ook eerder luchtig. Opnieuw een knipoogje leek me overbodig.

      • + 0
      • 3 maa 2022 - 19:30
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Je zou toch verwachten in een sport als de F1 waar elke kilo telt, dat overgewicht niet aan de orde zou zijn.
    Enkele 10 tallen kilo's zijn wel inderdaad een nadeel in de F1, maar iedereen zat in hetzelfde schuitje en wisten wat het minimumgewicht is. Dus ik zie geen reden waarom men de regels moet aanpassen omdat er teams zijn die moeite hebben om aan het minimum gewicht te komen.

    • + 1
    • 1 maa 2022 - 10:38
    • Snelle Eddy

      Posts: 5.538

      Ligt er een beetje aan wat nou precies de impact is van de nieuwe regels op het gewicht.

      Er is 43 kilo bij het minimumgewicht bijgekomen, maar als al die nieuwe zaken zoals grotere wielen en structurele aanpassingen aan het chassis bijvoorbeeld samen goed zijn voor +60kg, dan moeten de teams toch ergens 17 kilo zien te besparen.

      Maar nergens valt te achterhalen hoeveel impact die nieuwe zaken qua gewicht hebben.

      • + 1
      • 1 maa 2022 - 10:46
  • Wheel2Wheel

    Posts: 716

    Bij een minimum gewicht kan je nooit te zwaar zijn dus er is geen probleem als je aan het minimum gewicht doet.

    • + 2
    • 1 maa 2022 - 10:48
  • Larry Perkins

    Posts: 47.777

    Hopen op nu nog een regelwijziging lijkt me zo absurd dat Marko wellicht aan het sandalen is en is het straks voor de kwalificatie in Bahrein ‘plotseling’ opgelost…

    • + 0
    • 1 maa 2022 - 11:08
  • FredericS

    Posts: 739

    Wat beschouwd RBR als een te zware auto, 1 kilogram of 50 kilogram.
    Zolang de gewichten van de verschillende auto's niet bekend zijn gemaakt is dit gewoon click-bait.

    • + 0
    • 1 maa 2022 - 12:23
    • schwantz34

      Posts: 36.095

      Precies, het zal niet om een bull verschil gaan. Max 8 kg ofzo.

      • + 0
      • 1 maa 2022 - 17:18
  • VerseSpinazie

    Posts: 25

    Het minimumgewicht is verhoogd en teams hebben moeite om onder die drempel te komen? Ehhh...

    • + 1
    • 1 maa 2022 - 12:28
    • nr 76

      Posts: 5.642

      Je hebt wel meegekregen dat de wagens van 2022 ietsiepietsie anders zijnndan die van 2021?

      • + 0
      • 1 maa 2022 - 20:44
    • RBH2019

      Posts: 5.888

      Je hebt begrepen dat onder een minimum gewicht komen illegaal is, nr 76!

      • + 0
      • 3 maa 2022 - 11:55
    • nr 76

      Posts: 5.642

      Oja, shit... ik lees de post van spinazie nog een keer, maar hij heeft natuurlijk gelijk!
      Scherp opgemerkt rbh!

      • + 1
      • 3 maa 2022 - 12:45

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Team
Punten
1
Red Bull Racing
860
2
Mercedes
409
3
Ferrari
406
4
McLaren
302
5
Aston Martin
280
6
Alpine F1
120
7
Williams
28
8
Alpha Tauri
25
9
Alfa Romeo Racing
16
10
Haas F1
12
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29 - 2 maa 2024
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7 - 9 maa 2024
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Canada Gilles Villeneuve
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