Red Bull: "Kunnen problemen in Saoedi-Arabië oplossen"

  • Gepubliceerd op 24 maa 2022 09:53
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  • Door: Martijn Arnoldus

De dubbele uitvalbeurt in Bahrein was voor Red Bull Racing een bittere pil, maar volgens teamadviseur Helmut Marko heeft het team de oorzaak van de brandstofproblemen gevonden en hij verwacht daarom aankomend weekend in Saoedi-Arabië geen complicaties.

Allereerst verklaarde de 78-jarige Marko wat er loos was met beide bolides. "Om het simpel te zeggen: een vacuüm in het brandstoftoevoersysteem zorgde ervoor dat de motor zonder brandstof kwam te zitten", vertelde Marko aan de Duitse versie van F1-Insider. "Ik denk dat we het probleem dit weekend al in Saoedi-Arabië kunnen oplossen."

Marko ontkrachtte speculaties over dat de auto's te weinig brandstof in de tank hadden. "Zonder exacte cijfers te geven: er zat nog genoeg benzine in de tank van beide auto's."

Op de vraag of Marko zorgen heeft voor de Grand Prix in Jeddah zegt hij het volgende: "In principe waren we snel genoeg in Bahrein. We hebben op het beslissende moment gewoon ons potentieel niet kunnen benutten. In Saoedi-Arabië zullen we weer op volle kracht terug zijn en vechten voor de overwinning."

Rimmer

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Ze gooien gewoon 15 liter extra in de tank om het probleem in Jeddah te voorkomen. Dat kost wel weer 2-3 tienden rondetijd.
Hopelijk pakken ze dat een beetje terug met een goede afstelling en ligt het circuit de auto goed.
De nieuwe achtervleugel die ze mee hadden naar Bahrein is een vooruitgan... [Lees verder]

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  • OneRace

    Posts: 2.240

    Het lek lijkt gevonden. Marko heeft niet helemaal lopen roeptoeteren.
    Jeddah wordt een race om tot het einde vol verwachting te blijven volgen.

    • + 0
    • 24 maa 2022 - 10:00
    • Rimmer

      Posts: 11.467

      Ze gooien gewoon 15 liter extra in de tank om het probleem in Jeddah te voorkomen. Dat kost wel weer 2-3 tienden rondetijd.
      Hopelijk pakken ze dat een beetje terug met een goede afstelling en ligt het circuit de auto goed.
      De nieuwe achtervleugel die ze mee hadden naar Bahrein is een vooruitgang en gaf ze veel topspeed, wat je nodig hebt in Jeddah. Wellicht dat er nog andere updates in de pijplijn zitten.
      Structurele oplossingen voor het brandstofprobleem zullen nog iets langer op zich laten wachten. Ik geloof er niks van dat ze dat in vier dagen fundamenteel hebben opgelost.

      • + 3
      • 24 maa 2022 - 10:18
    • In 10 minuten heeft Newey een nieuw schetsjes afgerond, dan nog vijf minuten inkleuren en klaar is Adrian…

      • + 1
      • 24 maa 2022 - 10:46
    • OneRace

      Posts: 2.240

      In de wandelgangen wordt gezegd dat Newey van Legoblokjes een nieuwe tank aan het vormgeven is.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 10:54
    • DBGates

      Posts: 3.713

      Ik denk dat er op de Ferarri geen maat staat op dit circuit

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 12:36
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      Refrein (2x):
      Adrian is acrobaat en Max die zit vol kat en kwaad,
      Maxie en Adriaan, Maxie en Adriaan, want zie je Maxje gaan, dan komt Adrian eraan.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 12:55
    • rimmer serieus? 2-3 tiende langzamer betekend dat ze naar het niveau van mercedes gaan en moet max serieus uitkijken voor magnussen en ferrari ziet hij dan nooit meer terug lol.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 14:52
    • robstuart

      Posts: 85

      Ik geloof dat er helemaal geen technisch probleem was maar een misrekening met het verbruik van de wagen bij de nieuwe brandstof. Max werd gedurende de race constant verteld om niet te hard te gaan zogenaamd om de banden te sparen terwijl Max aanvoelde dat het gewoon kon. Daarom was hij ook pissig.
      Red bull moest na de misrekening kunstmatig proberen om het verbruik niet te hoog op te laten lopen en een blamage van de eerste orde te vermijden.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 15:17
    • Wellicht een idee voor @Rimmer en @Robstuart om samen een sprookjesboek te verzinnen. Het begin hebben jullie al… ;)

      • + 3
      • 24 maa 2022 - 15:32
  • Een vacuum gezogen lege tank?

    • + 0
    • 24 maa 2022 - 10:02
    • Inderdaad vreemd. Weet iemand trouwens of het verbruik een stuk groter is met de nieuwe E10 eisen?

      • + 1
      • 24 maa 2022 - 10:10
    • Een straatauto verbruikt tussen de10 en 15% meer brandstof op e10 ipv e5 ivm vermogenverlies.
      Er zit dus gewoon minder energie in per kilo/liter

      • + 1
      • 24 maa 2022 - 10:38
    • Numnum

      Posts: 4.863

      Klopt wat mcGyver zegt.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 11:13
    • MTR-F1

      Posts: 81

      zeker geen vacuüm gezogen lege tank. er zat een vacuüm in het toevoer systeem. dat kan dus een vacuüm op een kleine plek zijn. Bijvoorbeeld: motor vereist meer benzine op moment X dan pomp Y kan leveren. dan zal het stukje tussen de motor en de uitvoer van de pomp kort onder een vacuüm kunnen komen te staan. (ze zeggen niet: vol vacuüm, dus 0,9 bar IPV de normale luchtdruk: 1 bar, zal ook al verstaan worden onder "een vacuüm".)

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 11:47
    • Rvb1979

      Posts: 1.132

      15% is wat veel maar er is zeker een hoger verbruikt op e10 wat mcgyver zegt er zit minder energie in ethanol dus des te meer ethanol des te hoger het verbruik. Volgens mij is voledig ethanol een verschil van 15% tov pure benzine

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 12:55
    • Snork

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      Misschien wordt Max af en toe vacuum gezogen, dan wordt er daarna ook niet meer gereden.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 12:56
  • Heb toch ergens nog het gevoel dat RB inderdaad de snelste wagen heeft. Dat komt echter ook zeker door een gebrek aan vertrouwen in Ferrari, want daarvoor is het te vaak tegengevallen de laatste jaren. Ik laat me uiteraard graag verrassen door de Scuderia, maar met name in Jeddah zijn wij niet het te kloppen team.

    • + 1
    • 24 maa 2022 - 10:23
    • Rimmer

      Posts: 11.467

      Jawel hoor. Ferrari was het sterkste op de rechte stukken en het accelereren uit de bochten het rechte stuk op.
      Het is onnodig en zelfs zwak om nu de Mercedes strategie toe te passen en underdog te spelen. Ferrari moet de komende races profiteren van de kleine voorsprong die ze hebben en hun sterke punten.
      Daarnaast moeten ze de doorontwikkelingsoorlog gaan winnen maar vooralsnog zijn ze het beste team en dat mag best gezegd worden. RB loopt echt nog wel wat achter en Mercedes is er ook nog niet. Dat Carlos op individuele kwaliteiten tekort kwam op Max zegt niets over de kracht van de RB maar meer over Sainz.
      Charles liet haarfijn zien wat de Ferrari kan en dat was behoorlijk indrukwekkend. Voor het eerst sinds Schumacher is Ferrari weer het beste team. Geniet er van en durf het uit te spreken 😉

      • + 2
      • 24 maa 2022 - 10:30
    • Oh hoor. Nou ik speel zeker geen underdog, aangezien ik niet weet hoe sterk Ferrari en/of Red Bull daadwerkelijk is. In Bahrein was Ferrari heel erg sterk en we zullen er in Jeddah zeker bij zitten, maar mijn gevoel zegt dat Red Bull hier nog sterker zal zijn dan in Bahrein en dat ze nipt voor Ferrari staan.

      En ik geniet er zeker van! Alleen het vertrouwen is erg broos zoals je al merkt. Te veel teleurstellingen doen dat met een mens.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 11:52
    • @Rimmer,
      Ferrari stond laatste in de race speedtrap in Bahrain, Leclerc 302 km/h, Sainz 314 km/h en Max bovenaan met 328 km/h.
      Ferrari wint haar tijd met de tractie/acceleratie, te danken aan een bijzonder goede krachtbron, daardoor kunnen ze meer downforce rijden en gaan ze daardoor dus sneller rond dan teams met een hoge snelheid einde rechte stuk.
      Als al die winst is toe te schrijven aan de pu zit Ferrari niet ongunstig, aangezien de motortoko tot 2026 gesloten is.

      • + 2
      • 24 maa 2022 - 11:57
    • @Mr Monza

      Was dat Met of zonder DRS voor Max ?

      Want Max heeft vele malen DRS op Leclerc gekregen .

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 12:05
    • @M@xoverdrive,
      Ja da's een goeie, dat weet ik eigenlijk niet.
      Dan is de qualy misschien een betere graadmeter.
      Beide Red Bull's bovenaan met 323 km/h.
      Ferrari 11 en 12 met 316 km/h.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 13:39
    • Rimmer

      Posts: 11.467

      Ja precies. Ze rijden dus met meer vleugel (zie sector 2) dan RB.
      Kun je nagaan wat Ferrari kan in Jeddah als ze wat meer topspeed gaan vragen en wat minder vleugel zetten. Dat is idd dankzij die motor icm mechanische grip natuurlijk. Het zit daar gewoon op alle vlakken goed nu. Alleen voor een titel strijd met Max moeten ze misschien wel keuzes gaan maken. Maar als Leclerc zo blijft rijden hoeven er ook daar weinig keuzes gemaakt te worden. Maar een McLaren 2007 Ham-Alo verhaal moeten ze daar wel zien te vermijden. In ieder geval wel als het RB lukt op korte termijn aan te haken en zeges te pakken.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 14:08
    • Beetle

      Posts: 2.259

      Hard rechtuit kan iedereen...

      • + 1
      • 24 maa 2022 - 15:40
  • Gewoon wat meer peut helmuttie. En wat is het probleem van de gebakken motor van Gasly?
    En van de vastgeslagen achterkant van Perez? En van de gekke lampjes op de vleugel?
    Laten we hopen op een mooi gevecht.

    • + 1
    • 24 maa 2022 - 10:33
    • Numnum

      Posts: 4.863

      Ik ben ook wel benieuwd naar de lampjes. Geven die een storingscode weer?

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 11:15
    • DBGates

      Posts: 3.713

      Volgens mij gaven die lampjes aan dat het veilig was om aan de wagen te komen

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 12:46
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      De ledlampjes geven aan of de auto spanningsloos is of niet. Die moeten groen zijn om de auto aan te mogen raken. Dat issue had Vettel bijvoorbeeld in Zandvoort toen hij een brandje in de auto had, waardoor zijn auto langere tijd niet opgetakeld kon worden.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 13:17
    • Numnum

      Posts: 4.863

      Nee, ik heb het over de achterlichten die een bepaalde sequence weergaven.
      Één constant en links knipperend.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 14:40
    • Dat is van de airfryer @Numnum, in Jeddah is die er af om gewicht te verliezen…

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 21:21
  • Kan iemand ff aan Verstappen vragen hoe het zit, daar hebben we tenminste wat aan…

    • + 0
    • 24 maa 2022 - 10:48
    • Metzeler

      Posts: 294

      Prima idee, dat gespeculeer van de kenners hier begint op neerlands bekendste roddelclub te lijken

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 12:23
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      Ik heb hem gebeld, maar ik mag het niet doorvertellen van hem.
      Dus.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 13:18
    • Oh dan weet ik genoeg…

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 14:14
    • Welkom Marits!

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 14:16
  • Helmut Marko ‘We hebben de beste auto’

    • + 0
    • 24 maa 2022 - 13:01
  • Maurits

    Posts: 182

    Dus hopelijk zijn de brandstof problemen op gelost nu!.. maar wat met de problemen van de stuurbekrachtiging want dat lijkt me een groter probleem omdat dat de rijder in gevaar brengt. De zelfde problemen hadden ze bij AT ook..

    • + 0
    • 24 maa 2022 - 13:08
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      Dat is zeer waarschijnlijk een hydraulisch issue, zullen ze inmiddels wel opgelost hebben.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 13:19
    • RB had toch de stuurinrichting van Max beschadigd bij een pitstop?

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 13:49
    • OneRace

      Posts: 2.240

      Ik heb ook gelezen dat bij de 3e pitstop van Max de stangen verbogen waren… geen hydraulisch systeem error

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 13:54
    • Oeps! Zie draadje hierboven @Maurits…

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 14:18
    • Maurits

      Posts: 182

      Oké dat is dan slecht nieuws voor de redbull die eigenlijk al op dieet moet.. sterkere stuurstangen zal ook weer meer gewicht betekenen.

      • + 0
      • 24 maa 2022 - 18:22

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