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Marko hekelt track limits: "Er moet iets gebeuren"

Marko hekelt track limits: "Er moet iets gebeuren"

  • Gepubliceerd op 01 jul 2023 08:48
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

De kwalificatie op de Red Bull Ring werd gisteren gekenmerkt door de vele verwijderde rondetijden. Dit had te maken met het overschrijden van de track limits, iets wat tegen de regels is. De coureurs ergerden zich dood aan de ingrepen en ook Helmut Marko wil zo snel mogelijk verandering zien.

In de afgelopen edities van de Oostenrijkse Grand Prix kwamen de problemen met de track limits ook al voor. Gisteren ging het wel heel erg verder en werden er om de haverklap rondetijden van coureurs afgepakt. Sergio Perez verloor vlak na het vallen van de vlag in Q2 zijn snelste ronde waardoor hij afviel. Het zorgde voor teleurstelling en chagrijn bij zijn werkgever Red Bull Racing.

Red Bull-adviseur Helmut Marko wil dat er snel veranderingen worden doorgevoerd aan de Red Bull Ring om deze problemen te voorkomen. Aangezien ook de MotoGP racet op het circuit, is dit vrijwel onmogelijk. In gesprek met Motorsport-Magazin laat Marko weten dat dit hem niets uitmaakt: "We hebben een oplossing nodig, er moet iets gebeuren met deze lijnen. Misschien hebben we grindbakken nodig of moeten we de kerbs hoger maken. De hele beleving gaat hierdoor kapot. De Formule 1 moet de prioriteit hebben. Je moet een compromis vinden, want dit is niets."

Golf-GTI

Posts: 1.093

Voor de kijker is het juist ook interessant. Dan verliest iemand "plotseling" zn tijd en moet ie nog een keer! En daarbij de tijdsdruk, ik vond het vermakelijk.

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  • 1 jul 2023 - 09:30
F1 Nieuws Helmut Marko Red Bull Racing GP Oostenrijk 2023

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  • amx151

    Posts: 307

    Die auto's zijn bijna 2 meter breed .
    Wie gokt kan verliezen , zo simpel is het.

    • + 4
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:02
    • Remco_F1

      Posts: 1.540

      Dus jij weet het beter dan de coureurs en teamcaptains? Voor de kijker en de hele organisatie is het bloedirritant dat dit probleem nog steeds bestaat.

      • + 2
      • 1 jul 2023 - 09:15
    • Golf-GTI

      Posts: 1.093

      Voor de kijker is het juist ook interessant. Dan verliest iemand "plotseling" zn tijd en moet ie nog een keer! En daarbij de tijdsdruk, ik vond het vermakelijk.

      • + 8
      • 1 jul 2023 - 09:30
    • Senninha1981

      Posts: 1.807

      @Golf-GTI, ik denk dat de track limits zelf het probleem niet zijn, maar meer hoe dit nu inzichtelijk wordt gemaakt achteraf. Als je over de track limit gaat en je ziet opeens een rode stof opdwarrelen dan weet je dat iemand over de track limit is gegaan. Nu is het rondje geweest en komt de boodschap nog eens achteraf.

      • + 2
      • 1 jul 2023 - 09:36
    • hupholland

      Posts: 7.626

      nou, wat vermakelijk, het was gewoon niet meer te volgen. Als het automatisch gaat en dus direct gebeurd prima, maar nu zag je tijdens de pauze nog coureurs naar beneden zakken. Goed dat het gebeurd hoor, maar vermakelijk was het niet. Een beetje als de VAR in het voetbal, het wordt er wel (wat) eerlijker van, maar niet leuker. Q3 was overigens wel prima, maar einde Q2 was het echt chaos.

      • + 1
      • 1 jul 2023 - 10:22
  • Senninha1981

    Posts: 1.807

    Vervang de huidige track limits voor track limits die een duidelijk negatieve invloed zullen hebben op je rondetijd. Dus mocht je er dan over gaan, dan heb je er bijna nooit voordeel van. Heb je er wel voordeel van, top! Dan heb je iets uitzonderlijks gepresteerd.
    Vraag me niet wat het moet worden, daar heb ik de brains niet voor, maar dat kan de F1 zelf wel laten uitzoeken door andere bedrijven die hierin gespecialiseerd zijn.

    • + 1
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:22
    • TylaHunter

      Posts: 8.802

      Eens... bijvoorbeeld het circuit een 10 cm hoger maken dan "offtrack"

      Buiten de lijnen is dan gewoon kijhard tijdverlies en op de mili seconde na dat je van de baan afrijd, kan je wel veilig remmen om erge crashes te voorkomen.

      Snel terug op de baan gaat niet want je rijd de vleugel dan stuk en de vloer. Er is dus echt een straf voor een fout.

      • + 0
      • 1 jul 2023 - 11:34
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Een of ander middeltje dat op je banden blijft plakken waardoor je trager wordt. Of nog simpeler : geef mensen gewoon een tiende of 2 tiende straf. Dat is billijk genoeg. Meer winst maken ze daar imho niet mee.
      En dan natuurlijk alleen bij dit soort net over limiet zaken.

      • + 0
      • 1 jul 2023 - 11:44
  • Montfort

    Posts: 1.548

    Fijn dat Marko vindt dat een circuit maar alles voor de F1 moet aanpassen.
    Met die gedachtegang raken we alle historische circuits kwijt, en rijden we straks 15 keer op een stratencircuit in de USA, en 15 keer in andere onderontwikkelde landen... :)

    De circuits verdienen hun brood met de andere klasses en amateurs die daar ook op rijden.

    • + 2
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:42
  • petertje

    Posts: 3.683

    ik zou zeggen zet daar een muur neer dan gaat er niemand meer over heen. wat een flauwekul weer van die marko. het is niet dat de coureurs niet kunnen om binnen te blijven maar ze willen allemaal zoveel mogelijk gebruik van maken omdat ze meer snelheid mee kan nemen om tijd te winnen.

    • + 6
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:46
  • GILH

    Posts: 1.320

    Ik vind het als kijker vermakelijk! Dit mogen ze er wat mij betreft gewoon in houden.

    In zijn optiek maken ze de beleving minder, maar voor de kijker vind ik het wel spannender. Je pole is niet helemaal veilig en ook je top 10 notering niet als je over het randje gaat.

    Leuker element dan de DRS train.

    • + 5
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:47
    • MWHT

      Posts: 4.007

      mee eens, was een extra spanning die zeker wat toevoegde aan het kijken van de kwalificatie.

      • + 2
      • 1 jul 2023 - 10:02
  • nr 76

    Posts: 5.642

    Vanaf de zijlijn is het makkelijk praten, maar het ontwerp van de auto's us hier natuurlijk ook debet aan. De enorme wielen, de wagens zo groot als een Boeing, en een zitpositie onder in het laadruim maken het er voor een coureur ook niet makkelijk op.
    Hetzelfde geld voor het positioneren in je start slot, als je geen idee hebt waar je wielen zich tov de lijnen bevinden.

    • + 2
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:49
  • Stoffelman

    Posts: 5.398

    2 hebben een tijd neergezet zonder tracklimit Leclerc en sargeant.
    2de en 18de, het kan dus perfect.

    • + 1
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:52
  • Deoranjecamping

    Posts: 2.911

    Wat er moet gebeuren is dat je binnen de lijntjes moet blijven net als met je catering Helmut.

    • + 2
    • 1 jul 2023 - 09:53
  • Maxfanaat

    Posts: 193

    Juist Helmut waardeloos deze tracklimmits

    • + 2
    • 1 jul 2023 - 10:02
  • Alfisti

    Posts: 200

    Wat een flauwekul allemaal. Er ligt een baan en die houd ergens op. Dus gewoon binnen de lijnen blijven kleuren is de oplossing. Er zijn zat rijders die het wel kunnen..
    Bij andere sporten is het niet anders.

    • + 3
    • 1 jul 2023 - 10:59
  • arie51

    Posts: 686

    Wel weer opvallend dat juist Perez weer het haasje is geworden, ik vraag me af hoe stressbestendig hij is ik ben bang dat het weer niks wordt dit weekeinde en dat Alonso hem voorbij gaat. nee hij is weer door het ijs gezakt.

    • + 0
    • 1 jul 2023 - 11:11
  • Tifoso

    Posts: 2.985

    In Monaco staan de muren er zo dicht op en kunnen de coureurs zich wel inhouden, maar voor de lijnen niet. Teveel risico genomen, eigen schuld dikke bult. Perez snap ik al helemaal niet. Q2 moet je in de Red Bull makkelijk overleven zonder risico's te nemen.

    • + 2
    • 1 jul 2023 - 11:12
  • d07

    Posts: 2.405

    Het is jullie eigen circuit Helmut, dus haal die uitloopstroken weg en leg er gras of grind neer. Probleem opgelost.

    • + 0
    • 1 jul 2023 - 12:48

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